Comments on: Lance Berkman + Jesus = Night At the Ballpark? http://unpinkhats.com/2009/08/19/lance-berkman-jesus-night-at-the-ballpark/ Real Women. Real Sports. No Pink Hats. Tue, 22 Feb 2011 21:00:52 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9 hourly 1 By: The Sports Chick http://unpinkhats.com/2009/08/19/lance-berkman-jesus-night-at-the-ballpark/comment-page-1/#comment-37 The Sports Chick Fri, 21 Aug 2009 14:53:00 +0000 http://unpinkhats.com/?p=308#comment-37 I actually kind of agree with you, really. I felt more like it was something I wanted to explore than like I had a definite position...and I'd mostly talked myself out of my own angle by the time I posted. :) I actually kind of agree with you, really. I felt more like it was something I wanted to explore than like I had a definite position…and I’d mostly talked myself out of my own angle by the time I posted. :)

]]> By: Emily http://unpinkhats.com/2009/08/19/lance-berkman-jesus-night-at-the-ballpark/comment-page-1/#comment-34 Emily Thu, 20 Aug 2009 22:11:15 +0000 http://unpinkhats.com/?p=308#comment-34 "But we live in a country that has benefitted, in the minds of most and certainly of UPH, from separation of church and state. If baseball is America’s Pastime and America’s a country without an official religion, it seems incongruous to mix a specific religion so directly into a secular public forum." I think separation of church and state and not having faith and family night at Minute Maid are not the same thing or not particularly related. baseball is in fact not the "state" in any sense of the word. it might still be incongruous to mix religion and baseball, but I feel like the fact that the U.S. has benefitted from the separation of church and state is not entirely relevant to this discussion. really, Minute Maid/the Astros have pretty wide-ranging rights to do what they want to try to get people to buy more tickets. _____________________________ "You wouldn’t have a boys-only promotion, or a White’s-only promotion: even if other people are ostensibly welcome, it’s the sad truth that groups tend to self seggregate: not something we should be encouraging. If someone’s going to be the only African-American at pregame festivities, or the only Jew, or the only woman, that someone is going to feel awkward and left out." well, okay, you wouldn't do those things, but people don't choose to be men or white. people do choose their religion. whether or not someone would "fit in" at faith & family night at Minute Maid is partly under their control. _____________________________ basically, I see your point, but I like to pick at little details. ;-) “But we live in a country that has benefitted, in the minds of most and certainly of UPH, from separation of church and state.
If baseball is America’s Pastime and America’s a country without an official religion, it seems incongruous to mix a specific religion so directly into a secular public forum.”

I think separation of church and state and not having faith and family night at Minute Maid are not the same thing or not particularly related. baseball is in fact not the “state” in any sense of the word. it might still be incongruous to mix religion and baseball, but I feel like the fact that the U.S. has benefitted from the separation of church and state is not entirely relevant to this discussion. really, Minute Maid/the Astros have pretty wide-ranging rights to do what they want to try to get people to buy more tickets.
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“You wouldn’t have a boys-only promotion, or a White’s-only promotion: even if other people are ostensibly welcome, it’s the sad truth that groups tend to self seggregate: not something we should be encouraging. If someone’s going to be the only African-American at pregame festivities, or the only Jew, or the only woman, that someone is going to feel awkward and left out.”

well, okay, you wouldn’t do those things, but people don’t choose to be men or white. people do choose their religion. whether or not someone would “fit in” at faith & family night at Minute Maid is partly under their control.
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basically, I see your point, but I like to pick at little details. ;-)

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